Vince's xm - 2.1TD daily driver
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Re: Vince's 2.1td xm
The Haynes book makes great bedtime reading! You'll end up with a massive list very quickly
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Re: Vince's 2.1td xm
It can also drive you mad, as sometimes there are gaps in the information.
Great to hear you've got the XM sorted out Vince.
Great to hear you've got the XM sorted out Vince.
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1992 K reg XM 2.1 Auto SED RP 5712
1992 K reg XM 2.1 Auto SED RP 5705 (D)
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2003 C5 2.2 HDI Exclusive
I sell Engine bay, 1990 COTY, Total & Club XM Sticker Decals
http://www.rjwcreativedesign.co.uk
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Re: Vince's 2.1td xm
Great to hear it's all now fixed Vince 
What did they do in the end? Just a spot or weld?
You'll very soon now understand why the Haynes manual is called the BoL or Book of Lies... It has it's moments but is not comprehensive by any means and has great difficulty in differentiating between S1 and S2 at times.
What did they do in the end? Just a spot or weld?You'll very soon now understand why the Haynes manual is called the BoL or Book of Lies... It has it's moments but is not comprehensive by any means and has great difficulty in differentiating between S1 and S2 at times.
Cable Ties are wonderful things!Vince wrote: Jim i dont know what you made under there but i think it ended up stronger than the OE linkage from Citroen
Jim
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Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
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Re: Vince's 2.1td xm
Always carry cable ties if you'r driving citroens 
The night we crossed the border of Northern Ireland, years ago and immigrating into Ireland, we were stopped in our BX by the border police.
Of course all was OK except when we were allowed to go on, our BX Chique, suffered a similar problem...The guards just laughed at us! Super friendly! So I got my cable ties out and sort of fixed the gear link. (And never touched them again for a couple of years:) )
In the Netherlands, it would have been: questions questions questions NCT certificates etc. and most likely a hefty fine for driving a non road worthy vehicle!
But Jim, can't we trust the good old Haynes? I do rely on it, really, for repairs and maintenance procedures.
Bit of scary info that
book of lies...?
I remember from the Xantia Haynes, I had to read it about 13 times on 13 different pages to get a vague grip of what they mean, especially for very simple straightforward things that even I could have easily figured out, without any manual
Technical English is something I need to work on. But I assume you (English peeps) actually understand everything written in English in the Haynes, so now I, start to worry!
I think it's always me just not understanding the technical language properly. I hope there are no bad lies in the XM Haynes manual that can cause any harm to my blue ones, cause we need them to stay reliable for the coming couple of years.
The night we crossed the border of Northern Ireland, years ago and immigrating into Ireland, we were stopped in our BX by the border police.
Of course all was OK except when we were allowed to go on, our BX Chique, suffered a similar problem...The guards just laughed at us! Super friendly! So I got my cable ties out and sort of fixed the gear link. (And never touched them again for a couple of years:) )
In the Netherlands, it would have been: questions questions questions NCT certificates etc. and most likely a hefty fine for driving a non road worthy vehicle!
But Jim, can't we trust the good old Haynes? I do rely on it, really, for repairs and maintenance procedures.
Bit of scary info that
book of lies...? I remember from the Xantia Haynes, I had to read it about 13 times on 13 different pages to get a vague grip of what they mean, especially for very simple straightforward things that even I could have easily figured out, without any manual
Technical English is something I need to work on. But I assume you (English peeps) actually understand everything written in English in the Haynes, so now I, start to worry!
I think it's always me just not understanding the technical language properly. I hope there are no bad lies in the XM Haynes manual that can cause any harm to my blue ones, cause we need them to stay reliable for the coming couple of years.
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Re: Vince's 2.1td xm
It's more of a joke than anything else calling the Haynes manual the BoL. In fact in places it is exceedingly good such as the engines it covers (only the TCT, 2.0i , 2.1TD and 2.5TD) and very fine where it needs to be such as the brakes and steering...
Some areas are vague and sometimes you are left wondering if they actually had an XM in front of them when they wrote the manual. Much is missing and some is incomplete - same as the Xantia manual really. Wiring diagrams are particularly incomplete.
You have to see it from their point of view though. They made a manual for a car that has no end of variations, different models and specifications. If they'd have written a manual to cover them all it would have been huge. I have a full set of the Xantia factory manuals - they take up over a metre of bookshelf space! So on that basis I'm going to come to their defence a little...
Wherever you find the Haynes lacking, the forum will always come to the rescue!
Isn't there a Dutch equivalent of the Haynes Jaap? I'd have thought there may have been something given the big popularity of the XM in Holland...
I can't speak French at all but can manage my way through quite a bit of technical French - perhaps because the words look similar to their English equivalents and mean much the same. I don't know, perhaps it's because I've been around French cars for so long...
Some areas are vague and sometimes you are left wondering if they actually had an XM in front of them when they wrote the manual. Much is missing and some is incomplete - same as the Xantia manual really. Wiring diagrams are particularly incomplete.
You have to see it from their point of view though. They made a manual for a car that has no end of variations, different models and specifications. If they'd have written a manual to cover them all it would have been huge. I have a full set of the Xantia factory manuals - they take up over a metre of bookshelf space! So on that basis I'm going to come to their defence a little...
Wherever you find the Haynes lacking, the forum will always come to the rescue!
Isn't there a Dutch equivalent of the Haynes Jaap? I'd have thought there may have been something given the big popularity of the XM in Holland...
I can't speak French at all but can manage my way through quite a bit of technical French - perhaps because the words look similar to their English equivalents and mean much the same. I don't know, perhaps it's because I've been around French cars for so long...
Jim
'98 Saxo
'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
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'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
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There's no Dutch equivalent of the Haynes Jim, and most (!) Dutch XM owners , have their own opinion on issues and stick to them.
Some nice ones are there for sure, don't get me wrong but I'm really loosing touch with my own home country anyhow, after all those years...
Anyway, don't like that at all even though a few people are very knowledgeable but also non approachable. ~Work, stress, what ever, you know!
Some nice ones are there for sure, don't get me wrong but I'm really loosing touch with my own home country anyhow, after all those years...
Anyway, don't like that at all even though a few people are very knowledgeable but also non approachable. ~Work, stress, what ever, you know!
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Re: Vince's 2.1td xm
Hi Japp
The two versions of Haynes that I have were published in 1998 & 2002.
Do not think there were any other ones in English.
I was rather suprised to see Haynes also published an XM edition in French.
The main differences seem to be the title (G-R reg & G-X reg) plus poorer quality paper and print in the later edition.
As has been said much of Haynes is technically very good but let down by a few howlers.
Trouble is you do not realise about the wrong bits until you are well into the particular job.
The other problem which probably applies to all manuals is photos and repair work is depicted on factory fresh cars and parts.
This is a world away from the rust locked nuts, worn components and strange faults we actually see on todays well used XM's.
If you can read French then the RTC XM manuals are very good and still available.
These were regularly updated and reprinted promptly (ever year or so) during XM production.
I find the diagrams and photos very useful, even the text sometimes and my minimal French was learnt under duress over 50 years ago.
I have collected quite a few editions so can advise on content and models covered.
Price of these on ebay new and used is similar to Haynes.
I have also seen some early RTC editions that were published in German.
The Citroen XM Workshop Manuals are comprehensive and very useful.
Hard to obtain, expensive to buy, a PIA to use if you want to check something quickly and logically.
Virtually all copies are secondhand from dealers.
Manual was published as loose leave pages with dealers to page in the update sheets destroying the outdated ones.
The copies I have looked through suggest that few dealers staff did this updating as rigorously as Citroen intended.
John
The two versions of Haynes that I have were published in 1998 & 2002.
Do not think there were any other ones in English.
I was rather suprised to see Haynes also published an XM edition in French.
The main differences seem to be the title (G-R reg & G-X reg) plus poorer quality paper and print in the later edition.
As has been said much of Haynes is technically very good but let down by a few howlers.
Trouble is you do not realise about the wrong bits until you are well into the particular job.
The other problem which probably applies to all manuals is photos and repair work is depicted on factory fresh cars and parts.
This is a world away from the rust locked nuts, worn components and strange faults we actually see on todays well used XM's.
If you can read French then the RTC XM manuals are very good and still available.
These were regularly updated and reprinted promptly (ever year or so) during XM production.
I find the diagrams and photos very useful, even the text sometimes and my minimal French was learnt under duress over 50 years ago.
I have collected quite a few editions so can advise on content and models covered.
Price of these on ebay new and used is similar to Haynes.
I have also seen some early RTC editions that were published in German.
The Citroen XM Workshop Manuals are comprehensive and very useful.
Hard to obtain, expensive to buy, a PIA to use if you want to check something quickly and logically.
Virtually all copies are secondhand from dealers.
Manual was published as loose leave pages with dealers to page in the update sheets destroying the outdated ones.
The copies I have looked through suggest that few dealers staff did this updating as rigorously as Citroen intended.
John
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captainhaddock wrote:There's no Dutch equivalent of the Haynes Jim, and most (!) Dutch XM owners , have their own opinion on issues and stick to them.
That does surprise me Jaap. I always had an idea that Citroen owners and especially XM owners were the same all over the world...
The friendliness of so many people n the Citroen world is a big part of what keeps me in a Citroen. You saw it first-hand at the X rally
John, if you ever hear of a full set of genuine XM manuals going spare then I'd be interested...
Jim
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'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
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Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
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Re: Vince's 2.1td xm
Jim
Not sure about what is the full set because of the loose leaf problem.
I have collated from a few sets so my set now runs to 14 binders.
The residue and spare binders are stored away in the margins of the roof space.
Will look them out one day and see what they make up.
John
Not sure about what is the full set because of the loose leaf problem.
I have collated from a few sets so my set now runs to 14 binders.
The residue and spare binders are stored away in the margins of the roof space.
Will look them out one day and see what they make up.
John