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Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:05 am
by Dieselman
That alternator has definitely done some work.
When the car was designed and had a 7 piston pump, the single hydraulic pipe followed a route that allowed the alternator to be extracted. The 6+2 pipes cross over the alternator.

I'm really interested to see if the £13 kit is a workable task. how are the slip rings held on and connect to the armature?

Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:23 pm
by Citjon
xantia_v6 wrote: Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:04 pm There is an "engine running relay" which takes its signal from the alternator and disables the A/C, heated seats and heated rear window, so probably related.
That's good to know, thank you.

Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 6:45 pm
by Citjon
I'm pleased to say that the alternator is finally back on the car and putting out a healthy 14.3v. The slip rings, rear bearing and brushes have all been replaced using the kit from ebay. The front bearing has to be pressed out and as it wasn't showing any signs of wear I decided not to change it.
Luckily there are several YouTube videos showing the process on similar Valeo units. The good thing about these older ones is they can be dismantled without needing to de-solder the rotor connections. Gasa's thread also has some useful tips for this job.
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The rebuild kit
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Once the alternator is separated the rear bearing needs removing together with the plastic spacer. The slip ring assembly was then removed using a small cold chisel to carefully split the copper rings and mounting away from the shaft. The slip ring connectors are set in epoxy resin, which all needs chipping away.
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Fortunately the slip ring contacts can be connected either way round, which is handy when you forget to mark them. Cleaning the solder and slip ring crimp remains off was quite tedious. This needs doing very carefully to avoid breaking the wires.
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The slip ring is an interference fit onto the shaft, I tapped it down gently with a small hammer. The connections were then encased in epoxy resin as per the original spec and the bearing refitted over the spacer.
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The new brushes were fitted to the regulator before reassembly with copious amounts of RTV sealant over the terminals.
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Hydraulic pressure pipes were disconnected and the oil filter was removed to provide space for refitting.
Overall this has been a worthwhile job, new alternators are around £100 if you can find one so it's definitely saved me a few quid.

Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 6:30 am
by Dieselman
Citjon wrote: Tue Jul 08, 2025 6:45 pm
Overall this has been a worthwhile job, new alternators are around £100 if you can find one so it's definitely saved me a few quid.
A Valeo one, or some "No-Name" last 1 year part?

The connection of the contacts is ingenious, no soldering, or crimping. Looks like a job well done, good write-up.

Those brushes are a bit small and dig into the slip rings as a result.

Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:13 pm
by Citjon
Dieselman wrote: Wed Jul 09, 2025 6:30 am
Citjon wrote: Tue Jul 08, 2025 6:45 pm
Overall this has been a worthwhile job, new alternators are around £100 if you can find one so it's definitely saved me a few quid.
A Valeo one, or some "No-Name" last 1 year part?

The connection of the contacts is ingenious, no soldering, or crimping. Looks like a job well done, good write-up.

Those brushes are a bit small and dig into the slip rings as a result.
Probably a deliberate ploy by Valeo so they don't last forever!
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I forgot to take a photo of it before refitting - this is all you get to see now.