CitroJim's Citroens
- CitroJim
- Citroen God!
- Posts: 3730
- Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:43 am
- Location: North Bucks
- Contact:
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
Sounds like the Xantia Hydraulic Clutch John, exactly the same issues and precautions needed. Luckily I've been there a few times..
Release bearing too is exactly like the Hydraulic Xantia ones. I made up a special tool for those and now I have the genuine tool!!! Have you ever heard of the release bearing pulling out of the diaphragm spring? It happens occasionally on Xantias and normally causes the slave cylinder to dismantle itself due to the piston travelling excessively and pushing the cylinder apart...
Whilst the gearbox is off we're going to see if the bellhousing bolt pattern is either XU compatible, ES9 compatible or something unique to the DK5...
Release bearing too is exactly like the Hydraulic Xantia ones. I made up a special tool for those and now I have the genuine tool!!! Have you ever heard of the release bearing pulling out of the diaphragm spring? It happens occasionally on Xantias and normally causes the slave cylinder to dismantle itself due to the piston travelling excessively and pushing the cylinder apart...
Whilst the gearbox is off we're going to see if the bellhousing bolt pattern is either XU compatible, ES9 compatible or something unique to the DK5...
Jim
'98 Saxo
'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
'98 Saxo
'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
-
- Global Moderator
- Posts: 5925
- Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:11 am
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
I know that the bellhousing fits the original XM V6 as well as the 2.5.
I expect it also to fit the ES9 as that engine takes a ML5 box.
The only difference between ML5 and MG5 is changes to suit the thrust bearing.
MG5 has a much longer thrust bearing than the ML5.
Have not got round to checking out the ML6 yet beyond noting it has less splines on the drive shaft.
John
I expect it also to fit the ES9 as that engine takes a ML5 box.
The only difference between ML5 and MG5 is changes to suit the thrust bearing.
MG5 has a much longer thrust bearing than the ML5.
Have not got round to checking out the ML6 yet beyond noting it has less splines on the drive shaft.
John
-
- Could do a 2.1 headgasket
- Posts: 1109
- Joined: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:11 pm
- Location: Near Warrington
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
Why you looking at the box bolt pattern Jim? You thinking the mg5 would be good for es9 manuals or something?
I suspect the mg5 would be able to take more torque as standard so more suited to sc converted v6's or ones that to really lairy and go for a turbo... Or two!!!
I suspect the mg5 would be able to take more torque as standard so more suited to sc converted v6's or ones that to really lairy and go for a turbo... Or two!!!
- CitroJim
- Citroen God!
- Posts: 3730
- Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:43 am
- Location: North Bucks
- Contact:
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
kingp wrote:Why you looking at the box bolt pattern Jim? You thinking the mg5 would be good for es9 manuals or something?
That's it Will

Jim
'98 Saxo
'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
'98 Saxo
'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
-
- Global Moderator
- Posts: 5925
- Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:11 am
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
Get an ML5 from a Pug 406 coupe.
Thats where mine came from, ebay £10 plus collection fuel costs.
Gear ratios are correct as its an ES9 petrol box.
Diesel and petrol MG5 boxes are different internally.
John
Thats where mine came from, ebay £10 plus collection fuel costs.
Gear ratios are correct as its an ES9 petrol box.
Diesel and petrol MG5 boxes are different internally.
John
-
- Could do a 2.1 headgasket
- Posts: 1109
- Joined: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:11 pm
- Location: Near Warrington
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
That's the thing, it would be correct for cruising gears as well and provider longer acceleration as well 

- CitroJim
- Citroen God!
- Posts: 3730
- Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:43 am
- Location: North Bucks
- Contact:
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
It's been a busy and eventful week!
Tuesday Chris and I made a start on the XM 2.5 Clutch but before we could make much headway we had other work to do involving electrical wiring of the domestic variety...
Wednesday a friend and I went to the Isle of Sheppey in my XM and enjoyed a great day out, discovering the Isle is home to the most northerly colony of scorpions in Europe! Te Isle has a brilliant bridge (or rather a set of bridges) and to a bridge geek like me they are a real treat. Petrol is cheap and it has beaches so not a bad place at all..
Thursday we got stuck into the XM proper but not before Chris resolved some issues on his HDi. Later I discovered my iffy Activa cooling fan had finally died and I set about replacing it. To do it with the AC condenser in place required the fabrication of some special tools.
Friday saw more 2.5 action and now the engine is ready to lift.
Saturday saw me in action doing our summer karate tour at another village fête. This time on the village green in the achingly pretty village of Denton in Northants. We were lucky. It poured with rain all morning but by the afternoon it turned out lovely.
Today the XM and I have been to Nottingham to bring Sian home from Uni for the summer. Later I made the first batch of jam from my home-grown strawberries.
Tomorrow after taking Robyn to Oxford Chris and I will carry on with his XM and then have the strut tops off both his and my XM and get them off to KingAS for renovation. This was hastened by one of his falling to bits when he cracked off the lower swivel to extract a drive shaft!
Tuesday will be much the same and then Wednesday I'm of to see dad in Somerset.
It's proving to be a busy holiday! It looks like my cambelt replacements and Activa wheel bearing will have to wait a bit. The bearing is getting no worse so it can wait a bit...
With all that and some home domestic stuff going on I've been so busy that I've barely looked at the forum this past week and I need to catch up on what's been going on.
That may take a day or so...
Tuesday Chris and I made a start on the XM 2.5 Clutch but before we could make much headway we had other work to do involving electrical wiring of the domestic variety...
Wednesday a friend and I went to the Isle of Sheppey in my XM and enjoyed a great day out, discovering the Isle is home to the most northerly colony of scorpions in Europe! Te Isle has a brilliant bridge (or rather a set of bridges) and to a bridge geek like me they are a real treat. Petrol is cheap and it has beaches so not a bad place at all..
Thursday we got stuck into the XM proper but not before Chris resolved some issues on his HDi. Later I discovered my iffy Activa cooling fan had finally died and I set about replacing it. To do it with the AC condenser in place required the fabrication of some special tools.
Friday saw more 2.5 action and now the engine is ready to lift.
Saturday saw me in action doing our summer karate tour at another village fête. This time on the village green in the achingly pretty village of Denton in Northants. We were lucky. It poured with rain all morning but by the afternoon it turned out lovely.
Today the XM and I have been to Nottingham to bring Sian home from Uni for the summer. Later I made the first batch of jam from my home-grown strawberries.
Tomorrow after taking Robyn to Oxford Chris and I will carry on with his XM and then have the strut tops off both his and my XM and get them off to KingAS for renovation. This was hastened by one of his falling to bits when he cracked off the lower swivel to extract a drive shaft!
Tuesday will be much the same and then Wednesday I'm of to see dad in Somerset.
It's proving to be a busy holiday! It looks like my cambelt replacements and Activa wheel bearing will have to wait a bit. The bearing is getting no worse so it can wait a bit...
With all that and some home domestic stuff going on I've been so busy that I've barely looked at the forum this past week and I need to catch up on what's been going on.
That may take a day or so...
Jim
'98 Saxo
'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
'98 Saxo
'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
- russ92xmsed
- Global Moderator
- Posts: 5733
- Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:23 pm
- Location: Cheltenham
- Contact:
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
Wondered where you were today Jim. Nice to see your busy and doing loads of car stuff. Nice one.
Will be interested to see what you think of the Kingas strut tops when you get them.
Don't fancy a pump reseal and steering coupling replacement job thrown in for good measure do you?!!
Just don't think your busy enough...

Will be interested to see what you think of the Kingas strut tops when you get them.
Don't fancy a pump reseal and steering coupling replacement job thrown in for good measure do you?!!


Just don't think your busy enough...

Russ
1992 K reg XM 2.1 Auto SED RP 5712
1992 K reg XM 2.1 Auto SED RP 5705 (D)
Also
2003 C5 2.2 HDI Exclusive
I sell Engine bay, 1990 COTY, Total & Club XM Sticker Decals
http://www.rjwcreativedesign.co.uk
1992 K reg XM 2.1 Auto SED RP 5712
1992 K reg XM 2.1 Auto SED RP 5705 (D)
Also
2003 C5 2.2 HDI Exclusive
I sell Engine bay, 1990 COTY, Total & Club XM Sticker Decals
http://www.rjwcreativedesign.co.uk
- CitroJim
- Citroen God!
- Posts: 3730
- Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:43 am
- Location: North Bucks
- Contact:
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
Just a quick update...
The 2.5 clutch is done... Easy-peasy. Don't know what all the fuss is about
Definitely best to lift the engine... It then just becomes a Xantia Matrix job. No difficult, just long-winded and tedious.
The old clutch was literally down to the rivets
Just boxing up a batch of strut tops to send to KingAS for him to work some magic. My V6 ones were not too bad and might have lived on a bit but decided to have them done anyway.. KingAS is currently charging 75 Euro plus the inevitable for each one.
2.5 engine mounts are bizarre. Citroen designers must have had a particularly good liquid lunch that Friday
Two of Chris's, the torque reaction diamonds, are quite worn. KingAS will rebuild them for 75 Euros a pop...
Finally, in a remarkable and rare bout of common sense, we find 2.5 and ES9 V6 strut tops are identical...
And I now really love the 2.5 almost as much as the V6...
The 2.5 clutch is done... Easy-peasy. Don't know what all the fuss is about




Definitely best to lift the engine... It then just becomes a Xantia Matrix job. No difficult, just long-winded and tedious.
The old clutch was literally down to the rivets

Just boxing up a batch of strut tops to send to KingAS for him to work some magic. My V6 ones were not too bad and might have lived on a bit but decided to have them done anyway.. KingAS is currently charging 75 Euro plus the inevitable for each one.
2.5 engine mounts are bizarre. Citroen designers must have had a particularly good liquid lunch that Friday

Two of Chris's, the torque reaction diamonds, are quite worn. KingAS will rebuild them for 75 Euros a pop...
Finally, in a remarkable and rare bout of common sense, we find 2.5 and ES9 V6 strut tops are identical...
And I now really love the 2.5 almost as much as the V6...
Jim
'98 Saxo
'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
'98 Saxo
'95 AX
Three bikes - Road, Aero and TT
Ex- owner of several XMs and many Xantias!
-
- Could do a 2.1 headgasket
- Posts: 1109
- Joined: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:11 pm
- Location: Near Warrington
Re: CitroJim's ES9 V6 Exclusive
Another thing to save off 2.5's then maybe Jim?