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by Dean » Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:31 pm
its just a slip up because George Quoted you then that post was quoted again and its brought your name onto his post..............I believe you, millions wouldnt
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by Dieselman » Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:48 pm
Citroenesque wrote:I'm quoted above but I didn't say it!

Quote...what quote..??
I've amended it for better reading now...
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by DoubleChevron » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:44 pm
Sounds like an obvious comparison... But it's not, XM turbo vs CX turbo. The CX turbo was supposed to be the "performance" car of it's range. The XM isn't.... Actually I dont' even understand why the XM turbo exists ??? It's a weeny little 2litre motor that uses heaps of petrol... Given there is a V6 model where does the CT fit into the model range. It's not frugal, it's not fast .... It's
A fair comparison would be the 24vavle V6 Series I XM versus the CX turbo (both are the performance versions, they'd be neck & neck, the winner would probably depend on the drivers).
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by Citroenesque » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:32 am
I can see where the 2.0 CT fits into the range - it's all about tax brackets in Europe at the time.
Also stop being nasty about the 2.0 CT

It's not bad you know. OK it's not a diesel with the associated economy but neither is it a V6 with other (and similar, but reversed) factors to consider. It goes well, ex-urban it does over 30 to the gallon IME (I did 330 miles last weekend at an average of 35 as it now turns out), so c'mon: it's an XM after all!

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by DoubleChevron » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:58 am
Yeah that's what I mean, my CX does a consistant 34mpg on the highway too ... but delivers decent performance

It's also far more reliable. Those CT motors seem to do head and head gaskets out here as they age. The old tractor motor in the CX appears to be indestructable... Mines 25years old and has never been apart and doesn't use a drip of oil or coolant between changes
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by robert_e_smart » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:15 am
If anything, the 2.0 8V engines are probably one of the best XM engines out there in terms of reliability, and general performance.
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by DoubleChevron » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:29 am
Yep,
the old Xantia/BX motor

She's a good little motor (though maybe a weeny bit small for a big car like an XM). I only know of 2 or 3 Xantia CT turbos out here, and they have all had serious $$$$ spent on there head/turbo setups. It's just the Xantia CT motor in the XM right ??
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by robert_e_smart » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:56 am
Yeah, its the same engine thats in the Xantia and Xm. The xantia uses more aluminium piping from the intercooler and turbo than the Xm. I have a Xantia TCT and a Xm 8v N/A.
The biggest weakness of these engines is exhaust manifold either cracking, or blowing from the steel gasket.
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by Dean » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:37 pm
yep i will agree with you there, the xu10 is a good solid engine, head gaskets fail due to corrosion of the cylinderhead mating surface, well cared for models that have had regular coolant changes dont exibit this corrosion and so the gaskets survive very well.
My only gripe really is that no oversized pistons were made for the turbo engine and as the cars get older and move more towards being a cherished item this could become a problem as im finding out now, 'repair' rings are available but i dont like this idea, i have a feeling that a rebore without oversize pistons could risk piston slap and thats not something i could put up with.
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by Dieselman » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:01 pm
Isn't the XU10 wet liner? If so you can forget re-boring it, just reline it.
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